KMM, Phil Gigante, & I Guess It’s Okay When It’s Not YOUR Daughter

Sigh. This is going to be a hard one. First, if you want to support and read Karen Marie Moning, fine. I quit reading her years ago, didn’t even finish the Mac and Barrons books. I would be mildly surprised if she became the next E L James but I wouldn’t notice if she dropped off the radar completely. Until this week she was just an author who had bored me but now she has graduated to an author who disgusts me.

I think Bibliodaze was the first post I read about this whole unsavory situation. Jenny Trout weighs in here. The Gilded Earlobe posts this, and Jeaniene Frost had this to say. What started all this was an announcement by KMM on her FB page.

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The “issues” were the charges against Gigante involving a 14 yr old girl. “Issues” was not the appropriate word, felonies was the word. Posters queried their absence and someone posted a link to this article. Moning was not receptive and posted this:

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And deleted any reference to Gigante and the charges. And then proceeded to post this:

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And this:

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Posters implored her to post what she and many people knew but there was nothing from KMM until this:

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Before I get to the really disgusting part let us just consider the timeline. Gigante was charged in July 2015, he plead guilty to two of four felony charges in a deal that dropped the other two in October 2015, he was sentenced in December, is now serving his 4 months, and is registered as a Tier 2 Sex Offender. None of this happened in a hurry, there was plenty of time for Moning to get her facts straight before she went public.

A number of her more ardent fans have protested that Gigante was her friend and she was only standing up for him but wouldn’t you think a friend would be more conversant with the facts? Because she got it wrong, she got it wrong and asked her fans to trust her. What do I tell you, Dear Readers? Get the link(s), look for yourself. Some posters did and Moning deleted their comments because she knew better.

But I have heard that her last Fever book wasn’t as well received as previous ones and, cynical little me, I have to wonder if she decided that a little controversy would be good for sales. She wouldn’t be the first.

This original post is now gone. I wish I had screenshots of some of the comments she left up because this is where the disgusting part comes in. This is where Moning deleted the links to Gigante’s arrest and plea agreement but left up comments that tried to excuse his actions and place the blame, all or in part, on the girl. ‘Cause Phil is such a nice guy, so talented, what a shame to blame him when we all know what some 14 yr old girls are like.

You know the ones, don’t you?

If you want to get the feel for the mindset here you have to look no further than Moning’s  “apology” post.


“He’s the adult period.” This. Let’s look at a few facts.

1 Gigante is 49, his victim is 14.

2 He met her when he was volunteering at the school. If this isn’t an abuse of trust and power …

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3. He’s married. With two children slightly younger than his victim. The only ones who have posted about what this must be like for her and their kids are those not trying to excuse Gigante or blame the victim.

I found two little interesting newspaper articles, the first one is here, I hesitated to link to it but it is easily enough found. The second is here, the company is registered to Natalie Ross.

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That just doesn’t sound like such a good idea now. Gigante isn’t a nice guy. He didn’t make a mistake, he didn’t suffer a lapse in judgement. “”I had inappropriate conversations on Facebook private message,” Gigante told the court Tuesday.” Not a conversation but conversations. And there was an exchange of inappropriate photos. So not a one time thing.

Did he ever look at his children and think about someone having those conversations with them? Did he ever look at his wife and think about how he was cheating her?

People need to stop with the “yes, buts” and start talking about how to encourage children to speak up and speak out when an adult attempts to engage them in an inappropriate relationship.

Now, KMM is free to do as she pleases but it has escaped very few who are watching this that she hasn’t shut down the posters pointing a finger at Gigante’s victim and when they aren’t excusing and accusing they are stroking Moning’s ego.



I’m sorry, I must have missed all the whining and hating posts, perhaps someone could point them out? There seem to be a lot of posts full of love and praise for her bravery, her defense of Gigante, and her apology. Her apology.

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Um, she made four that I count, which one is she apologizing for? The first where she announces Phil and Natalie are returning and not to “spread the hate” for the narrators who had replaced them? The one where she announces she’s deleting all the to protect all the parties involved and FB isn’t the place to discuss it. Then she continues to discuss it and does not protect the 14 yr old party involved. The post where she declares there is more to the story and many people know what really happened and Gigante’s not a predator.  Or the last one where she said she knew people would overreact and either you trusted her or didn’t, the facts weren’t what was reported, she was going to use him, and he was only charged with an improper message on FB. Which one?

When compared to her previous posts, it seems grudging and cold. And there is no request not to spread the hate and there seem to be no deletion of any comments to protect a minor.




12 responses to “KMM, Phil Gigante, & I Guess It’s Okay When It’s Not YOUR Daughter

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  2. Well said, ironically he had time to pull down all his personal pages so they wouldn’t get any negative feedback, look it up, LinkedIn is the only site still live, because you have to pay a premium to get to his info. Some kind of friend that didn’t give enough heads up to all his clients.

    • Someone mentioned on Friday that he seems to be gone from social media. I would imagine that he was getting less than favorable emails/comments on his sites and he did the smart thing. Why KMM decided to announce what she did, when she did, is anybody’s guess. I will point out that she polarized readers, lost some fans, gained others, probably sold a few books on the strength that she was being publically “shamed” on various blogs, managed to tank Gigante’s short term ability to work in this arena, and is still allowing victim shaming to be posted on her FB page. You know what they say about friends like KMM …

      • I began reading her books last year, had never heard of her before, I really like the fever series until ICED, the interactions and story regarding Dani, rubbed me wrong, I gave KMM benefit of the doubt , she knew how her story will progress etc… Burned was o.k. left huge cliffhangers, I haven’t read Feverborn so I can’t comment on it. Giving you this background info, as an avid reader her responses were Radioactive, I really really wanted to believe all was done by one of her admins that didn’t know better, sadly it wasn’t. In all this situation we can see how little we have advanced in misogyny and slut shamming (I hate the term, Slut should never be used) I think she lost much more than gaining a few sales, I read many people cancelled their audiobooks and some even returned books. I don’t know how much Heat did Ms. Fehan got, I think he narrates her books.
        Like you said in your posts, he didn’t give anyone a Heads-up, authors would have been prepared and would have had a statement ready.

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  5. What he did was so wrong but it does not mean he wasn’t a great narrator because he was. He should serve his time for what he did wrong not for being a narrator and I promise you I have been captivated by Kim’s books for years and the newest did not disappoint in the least

    • I’m trying to figure out what you are trying to say, you seem to be under the impression that his being a narrator is part of the reason he’s incarcerated? He is serving time for his involvement with a minor and for no other reason. If you want to keep on reading KAREN’S books, fine, I never said you shouldn’t. Now let me ask, since you wrote “Kim” instead of Karen and your post was a tad incoherent, shall we say, do you know for ure which author I’m talking about?

  6. Thank you for this. I’ve been reading/listening to her books for a few yrs now. I’m not one to google ppl. I’m old fashioned that way. YEs (33) and old spirited. Coming from one that was a victim of sexual acts at a very young age. I’ve decided to stop supporting her. For those that supported, hid, defended blindly and so on the one that did it to me I lost respect for and love. Being a child and seeing these adults that are suppose to protect me fail. It’s def a reality crusher. Her work is amazing. I loved the books. But her life decision has destroyed it for me.

    Again thank you for bringing this to light for me.

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